Hitler personally expressed hatred for the Church and there are plenty of Catholic martyrs of the Holocaust. Venerable Pius IX spoke out against Hitler's regime and many Catholic newspapers which published his criticisms suffered for it.
Condescending reply when you can't crack someone? THEN BLOCKING THEM. Its almost like you don't want to argue. I wonder why that would ever be.
This post is going to be painfully long and have a great deal of effort put in. Something seem to think I am not worthy of.
Nazi Germany didn't have strong ties with Germany? Nazi Germany = Germany. Next!
I meant to to type Papacy, I must of spelled it wrong and auto correct did something. My mistake.
They were still based on Christianity or rather Christian values. Also, wiki? Really? Next!
Christian values? Really? In what way? I guess you can maybe make the case that Homosexuality is anti-christian and that the nazi's were against that, but saying that the Nazi ideology is based on Christian values is, well just fucking silly. Christian values can be defined as what is written out in the ten commandments and the teachings of Jesus. The ten commandments are having no other gods, do make idols of God, do not misuse the name of God, keep the Sabbath holy, honor your family, do not KILL, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not lie, do not covet. Now I'm pretty sure the Nazi's had a habit of killing quite a few people. So we can say that they already felt it okay to ignore at least one of the commandments.
Jesus's teachings can basically be summed up as Love everybody, forgive everybody, non violence, ect ect. Nazi's are ignoring basically all of this so we can say that if they are Christians, they conveniently ignore the teachings of the prophet of the Religion.
While I will concede that many Nazi's may have called themselves Christian, though the higher ups have called this into question. Whether they are actually Christians an answer, and its a resounding NO.
To put this in perspective, it would be like me calling myself a communist, except that I believe in Private property and the free market. Rejection of those two things are CENTRAL to communism, now I can say I am a Communist, but does that make me one? No, because I don't practice my self professed belief.
Also this isn't 2,006, you can check the citations of Wikipedia, so it is a fairly reliable source.
Hey, that's what you do with your cherry picking. Next!
There is no argument in this, except a failed attempt to be funny or condescending.
I don't trust anyone... new speak? Read 1984, it's a very good book on the subject. Next!
I have never read 1984, but I know what its about. Fahrenheit 451 is also a good one. Again, I fail to see an argument here.
Hey, I just do what you do. It's the media's fault school shooting happens each 5th day in the US? Or is it because forced school prayers have been banned? I keep forgetting your poor Christian excuses. Anyway, all your god-loving-morons could have... I dunno... just refused? But they willingly and joyfully joined Hitler and killed Jews and homosexuals in the millions, such a display of Christian love! Just like the inquisitions, the crusades etc. Next!
Let me start off by saying that right off the bat, you make false assumptions about me. Firstly, I am not a Christian. I am a DEIST. Secondly, that I am a bible thumping republican. I am not, I'm a Libertarian who thinks that Church and State need to be distanced as far as possible from each other. Going back to my response to your second statement on my opinion of people following behind him, regardless what they call themselves, if their actions do not match up with what they profess to believe they are not Christians. On the Inquisition the same logic applies. Same with the Crusades. Though we do need to take into account geopolitics into that too. As, you know the Byzantine emperor did ask the Vatican for help, and the Vatican sent it.
With everything you have said, and your barrage of petty insults and condescending tone, I have come to the conclusion that you are not only not right, you aren't even wrong. Your definitions on what it means to belong to a philosophy are so fundamentally flawed that your arguments cannot even be considered incorrect. The entirety of your debate lies on Logical fallacy and there have been very few points that you have made that even resembled rational thought. I award you no points. And may God have Mercy on your soul.
Catholics and Nazis did an silent agreement - church supports the NSDAP and the Nazis let the church remain in social relevance. That the Nazis deprive and kill Jews was just an additional good the curch-guys are happy about.
To that Paganism/Nordic thing - Most normal soldiers and people under the regime are christians(and no Himmler, Göbels or Hitler could have change that), just a few megalomaniacs on the top and in the SS follow a nonspecific way of occultism, whatever is shiny and underline the own invincibility was good enough.
But the nordic religions of the Germanen(Germans call themselves not Germans(what originally means Spear-people) than Deutsche) and Kelten arenīt extinguished by christianity rather than get involved. Most christian rites came from this folks. Christmas and Halloween are just very popular examples. In Germany ther is a famous monastery, people still make a pilgrimage to this place for heath - thatīs real funny cause this place has this holy relevance for over 2000 years, and the bllod sacrifice altar still remain unchanged xD Even christians can have humor i think.....
This involving came from the need to spread the religion as well as the need of some conquesting (Scandinavian=most Viking)kings, who brought the religion to the Germanen and Kelten. So the rites and religion become one, the difference is just a fine line, declared by Vatican City to keep the might and influence. Think.....that could be interesting.....maybe.
It always makes me giggle when I see christians saying that christmas is about christ because of the name. You because on nordic countries christmas is called Yul or Jul depending on the country , which clearly comes from the Yule festivals.
Good to have that religion - better to know where these simple and/or radical people are to find. No - i wouldnīt blame that religion for its followers, where many people are, there are some who corrupt the whole idea and create ther own kingdom on this carved ruin. Nothing else with all other religions(or soccer-clubs, for example).
All days of the week in western civilisation are named from this old roots, as well as the monthīs names and so much more. Itīs a piece of luck that i donīt have that much hardcore-christians around me to need such arguments to defend against the most stupid convertists. Most German christians are more silent and live ther religion for ther own. Thatīs okay i think, cause religion, as a institution, was first created to make rules who allow bigger societys than tribes to stay stabile and interact - a cheers to all who remember on this, religios people as well as atheists.
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